WASHINGTON, D.C. — U.S. Senator Angus King (I-Maine) today joined Morning Joe to stress the urgency of the unprecedented, unconstitutional overstep from President Trump’s Administration and Elon Musk’s Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE). During the interview — which comes in the midst of another round of reckless federal layoffs — King made clear the dangers of Congress further ceding it’s power to the President, noting that doing so is a “fundamental misunderstanding” of what is outlined in the Constitution.

You can watch the full clip on YouTube here

Senator King has been consistently sounding the alarm on President Donald Trump’s existential threat to the Constitution. At the end of January, he gave a speech on the Senate floor sharing that this administration is doing ‘exactly what the Framers [of the Constitution] most feared.” A couple weeks later, he took to the floor again to respond to the hiring freezes and firings, calling them “thoughtless and dangerous.” Senator King also previously declared that the proposal to halt all federal grant and loan disbursement was illegal and a direct assault on the Constitution. Recently, he joined 36 Senators in a letter to Secretary of State Marco Rubio, sharing the detrimental effects of  the Trump Administration’s dismantling of the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID). He also joined fellow Senate Select Committee on Intelligence (SSCI) colleagues in writing a letter to the White House about the risks to national security by allowing unvetted Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) staff and representatives to access classified and sensitive government materials.

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Mika Brzezinski: “It's been five weeks since President Trump took office for the second time, and his administration has reshaped government on everything from law and order, to the role of the free press. With that as our backdrop, our next guest took to the Senate floor last week with a message to his colleagues, ‘it's time to wake up.’”

Sen. King: “This isn't just a battle between the Senate and the House and the President, and they're fighting about powers. No, the reason the framers designed our Constitution the way they did was that they were afraid of concentrated power. The responsibility of the president is to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, not write the laws, not deny the laws, not ignore the laws, not pick which laws he or she likes, but to take care that the laws are faithfully executed. That's the responsibility of the president. And right now, those laws are being ignored. Power was divided for a reason. There's some criticism now in the press saying people are talking about a constitutional crisis. They're crying wolf. No, this is a constitutional crisis. It's the most serious assault on our Constitution in the history of this country. It is the most serious assault on the very structure of our Constitution—which is designed to protect our freedoms and our liberty — in the history of this country. It is a constitutional crisis. And I'll tell you what makes it worse. The President and the Vice President are already hinting that they're not going to obey decisions of the courts. What's it going to take for us to wake up? When I say us, I mean this entire body to wake up to what's going on here? Is it going to be too late? Is it going to be when the President has accreted all this power and the congress is an afterthought? What's it going to take? I mean, the offenses keep piling up. The President over the weekend famously quoted Napoleon, ‘when you're saving your country, you don't have to obey any law’. Wow. A president of the United States, quoting Napoleon about not having to obey the law.”

Mika Brzezinski: “Independent Senator Angus King of Maine, joins us now. It's great to have you back on the show, Senator. Katty Kay has the first question for you, sir. Katty.”

Katty Kay: “Senator, I've known you for a long time, and you are not given to making speeches lightly like that on the floor. You choose your words carefully. Who were you talking to? Who was your audience? What were you trying to achieve when you stood up there on the Senate Floor and spoke to your colleagues?” 

Sen. King: “I was trying to capture the conscience of the Republican Senators because that's where the power is. They have a 53 vote majority in the Senate, and they can go to the White House and tell the President, ‘slow down.’ This is not the way our system is designed. They have some influence. That's what I'm really talking about. What's shocking to me is that we're not standing up for the Constitution. And when the Executive, when the President cancels a whole agency created by Congress, whether it's AID or the Consumer Finance Board or the independent agencies that were set up almost 100 years ago to protect the public as independent agencies, the Congress is not only giving its power, but as I said in the speech, we're violating the fundamental structure of the Constitution, which was there in order to protect us. The framers were students of human nature, and they understood a very important principle. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Therefore, they divided power. That's what the constitution is all about. It divides power between the president, the congress, the courts, the states, and the federal government so that nobody would have all the power, because that inevitably leads to abuse.”

Katty Kay: “You're an independent. You vote with Democrats, by and large, but I know you have good relationships with your Republican colleagues as well. Do you think they're open to your message? When you have your private conversations with them? And I don't want you to disclose names, are you hearing murmurs of disquiet?”

Sen. King: “I think, yes, I think disquiet is a good word. I think they're uneasy. I think many of them understand what's going on, although their public posture is, ‘well the courts will protect us, the courts will take care of us.’ Well, there are two problems with that. Number one, it's a cop out. We're not holding up our end of the constitutional bargain. We all take an oath when we come in to defend the Constitution, not a president or a party, but to defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. I think it's fascinating that the framers had an idea there might be domestic enemies to the Constitution. So it's our responsibility. And the other the other part about the courts is, as I mentioned in the speech, the Vice President and the President have already made noises about not obeying court orders. What happens then? That's where I think it is our responsibility in the Congress. And again, I want to repeat this is not institutional jealousy. Although Madison in the Federalist thought institutional jealousy would protect this division of power, but he didn't contemplate parties, that's one of the problems. But it is not institutional jealousy. It's the fundamental structure that keeps us free from an autocrat, from a dictator, from a monarch. These guys in 1787 had just fought a brutal seven year war against a king. They didn't want concentrated power. They wanted it to be divided. And if Donald Trump doesn't like AID, come to Congress and pass a bill. He's got a majority in both houses to abolish it, but don't do it in the middle of the night with this guy, Musk, and nobody knows who he's working for or what his authority is. You know, we've got a bunch of 25 year-olds deciding to cut programs. Here's another example from the other day. And this tells you where we are. Someone pointed out that the Ebola Prevention Program was cut in the AID cuts. Musk said, ‘oh, that was a mistake. We're going to fix it.’ Think of the implications of that. What he's really saying is, ‘I get to decide which programs we fund and which we don't.’ That's not the way our system is set up. That's not the way this thing is supposed to work again, to protect our freedoms. People who are cheering all of this going on, boy, they're going to have some second thoughts when the eye of Sauron turns to them.”

Katty Kay: “As it will.”

Willie Geist: “Senator, good morning. It's great to have you on. In fact, Elon Musk just yesterday stood up in that cabinet meeting and sort of laughed off what happened with Ebola, saying, ‘we made a mistake and we fixed it.’ We reported this morning the Washington Post saying that actually hasn't been fixed yet, and that money has not been put back where it needs to be to fight Ebola. Just one example. I'm just curious as to follow up on what Katty said about your fellow senators, Republicans and members of the House as well. Thinking of Speaker Mike Johnson, who is a constitutional lawyer, when they say — ”

Sen. King: “I wonder what constitution he's a lawyer of”

Willie Geist: “Well, that's a fair question. In many cases, going back to the 2020 election, forward where he helped Donald Trump with all that. But when they say, ‘look, we're doing this because the country elected Donald Trump with a mandate. We just have to carry out what he says to do,’ that strikes a lot of people as a fundamental misunderstanding of the role of Congress and the checks and balance of our government. So what do you make of that argument that these, these men and women view their role as a rubber stamp of what Donald Trump wants, whatever it may be, and even if it violates the Constitution?”

Sen. King: “Well, I think the best answer to that is to go back to the oath that we all take. The oath isn't to a president, it isn't to a party, but to the Constitution itself. And the Constitution is very clear about the division of power. In fact, the Constitution, as I mentioned in the speech, doesn't give the president all that much power. He is Commander in Chief, yes, but the fundamental responsibility of the president in the Constitution is to, quote, ‘take care that the laws be faithfully executed.’ I emphasize the word executed. That means carry forward. It doesn't mean write the laws, create the laws, ignore which laws you like. And for a member of Congress to say, well, we’ve got to do whatever the president says is a fundamental misunderstanding and in my view, a violation of our of our oath and our obligation to the people of this country to keep intact the division of power, which is what keeps us safe.”

Mika Brzezinski: “Independent Senator Angus King of Maine. Thank you very much for coming on the show this morning.”

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